2008 Chrysler Town & Country Review: A Year To Avoid For The Redesigned Minivan

Alex Showalter

May 11, 2022

The 2008 Town & Country lasts around 200,000 miles with computer and engine problems. At $4,155 – 4,437, it’s not worth the money since there are many expensive failures.

The Good

The seats are comfortable, interior materials are upscale for the price and the cabin is quiet.

The Bad

Steering and handling are bad, the base engine is weak and the infotainment system is difficult to use.

Is the 2008 Chrysler Town & Country a Good Used Van?

No, 2008 is a bad year. Owner reviews complain about electrical issues, sliding door problems, and poor build quality.
Reliability ratings are below average. Models from 2005–2007 all are good, with a spike in problems on the 2008 model.
Performance is poor from the base engine, but the largest engine offers good power.
The Town & Country is a safe van getting a perfect 5-star rating in government crash tests.
Fuel economy is okay, at up to 19 MPG combined.

Positive Owner Reviews

Deb W

Super cozy and comfortable.

Ni problems. Drives great with normal routine maintenance. I have over 200, 000 miles on it and go back and forth from NY to FL every few months. Actually I would change one thing. Its a stow n go but the seat don't fold down into the floor like the 2006 model. They have to be taken out and that's an inconvenience.

Mia M

Love the car. It is so roomy and comfortable to ride in.

It's a great car no problems very reliable great gas mileage. The car is a great family car, plenty of room and storage under the seat, it is comfortable and has great gas mileage. Infant car seat fits great in this van, and it has plenty of room for everyone.

sheila d

The vehicle has plenty of room for people as well as luggage.

The van has lots of great features. I enjoy the room, the video, the backup camera and the reliability. The only issue has been with the brakes. I have had to replace them multiple times.

Dawn D

Comfortable and reliable. Great value. The best vehicle I have ever owned

Has 167000 miles on it! Been a wonderful van. I will buy another town and country in 2 years

Carina O

We love the amount of space we have, it's a great family vehicle

I love my Town and Country and so do my kids. I have 3 kids so this van gives us a lot of room and we definitely need it. We really like the DVD player that it comes with, and 3 rows is great. Especially the second row being one seat behind the driver and one behind the passenger with the middle open to walk through to the third row. And even with the 3rd row up we still have lots of trunk space!

Tatiana E

There is a lot of space in the car. I have four children and the fit is still very roomy.

I like how smooth it drives. It feels very safe. I like the televisions and GPS along with satellite radio. I'm upset the televisions don't work anymore. I also don't like that i have to pay to update the gps.

Brynne D

Spacious town and country.

My van is very roomy. I am 5'8"able to fit a backwards facing car seat behind my driver seat and I am still comfortable. I also have two booster seats in the back and we all fit great. The power doors are my favorite feature. Drives very nice.

Bonnie M

I love it. It looks great, there is plenty of room for everyone. Drives really nice for such an old vehicle

That It's old but if you purchase one it will last for years

Negative Owner Reviews

Nicole N

For me upkeep is key. Oil changes, tires, brakes, etc.

This vehicle is the first I purchased on my own. I'm not faulting the vehicle. I shouldn't have been in such a rush to buy something.

Andrea W

My van is a lemon and I cannot seem to make lemonade out of it.

Everything on it has broken. We think it must have been in a flood, muffler was rusted out as well as brakes. From struts to calipers. The DVD player even broke.

Cynthia T

Recalls and computer problems.

Vehicle has had so many recalls. . . And no signs of leak but since purchased after 1000 miles my oil is empty.

STEVE B

It's known to have issues with the wires.

We bought this vehicle used and have had problems with it since. There is a major wire issue

Tammy W

That year had a lot of mechanical issues with the transmission and engine.

I like the roominess. I don't like the gas mileage. I'm looking to put in a new transmission that I can't afford.

Jeannine B

Feel like I have a lemon for a car

Ever since I purchased this van, it has had problems. Doors not sliding, molding falling off around the doors, water coming from the sunroof, malfunction indicator light constantly on. Tire pressure always coming on even when the tires have plenty of air. Disappointed.

jennifer W

Has lots of room for family traveling and comfortable for long trips.

Didn't have any issues because dud oil changes and tune ups on regular basis. It was a good car and we drove in long trips and never had any problems. If you do the upkeep you won't have any problems. I even had an accident where was ran into a guard rail and car still ran and no one was injured. It's a strong vehicle.

Jennifer L

Transmissions are horrible in these vans.

Engine had to be replaced at 96000 miles transmission has slipped ever since, lights stay on inside van at night, there have been so many things go wrong I have lost count brakes have had to be replaced numerous times. . . More than normal. I will never buy a Chrysler van again.

What Do Critics Say About the Town & Country?

Consumer Reports says the Town & Country isn’t as good as its rivals, and has below average owner satisfaction scores.
Edmunds gives the Town & Country a 3.7/5 liking the quiet cabin, but disliking the poor handling.
Kelley Blue Book users rate the Town & Country 3.9/5 and enjoy the folding seats, but dislike the firm suspension.

What Common Problems Does the 2008 Chrysler Town & Country Have?

There are some fairly serious problems with the 2008 Town & Country including computer failures, premature brake wear, and engines dying while driving.

Computer failures with the totally integrated power module are the most common problem at around 100,000 miles. This is a common problem across many Chrysler vehicles, and replacing the computer costs about $1,200.

Premature brake wear is a frequent complaint from owners at about 40,000 miles. The stock brake rotors and pads are weaker than other brands. Replacing the rotors costs about $400, and the pads are another $250.

Engines stalling and dying while driving show up on a lot of vans at roughly 100,000 miles. The exhaust gas recirculation valve is the most common source of the problem, and costs $600 to replace.

There are 7 recalls with a few serious ones. The most dangerous items addressed are the rear brake lines leaking which reduces brake force, and the rear axle fracturing which can cause an accident.

How Long Will the 2008 Chrysler Town & Country Last?

A properly maintained 2008 Town & Country will last around 200,000 miles, about 100,000 miles shorter than top competitors like the Toyota Sienna. Regular annual maintenance costs are higher than rivals, at $542 per year.

Most 2008 Town & Country models will have over 100,000 miles so buyers should be prepared to replace the fuel pump for $800, air bag control module costing $600, and the muffler which costs $800.

Joanne D

It is very reliable, no major problems, just normal brake changes and oil changes, but nothing major.

Natasha K

This is the first Chrysler town and country I have owned so I am not sure if they are reliable in general but this one did have some issues when we bought it which my husband has since fixed.

Mark S

Very little problems. The main one is water going in the doors from rain which has caused the auto windows to fail.

Myranda T

No it is never had a problem other than needing new brakes and tires best vehicle I have had absolutely no problems.

Crystal M

Everything in the engine decides to break down at the same time. Buttons on door, lock and window, went out and no longer work.

J N

Yes, the automatic car doors and back hatch have stopped working. Now we have to open the doors by hand.

Katherine J

It’s had electrical issues, but until recently, it’s been very reliable. It’s currently waiting for a diagnosis for starting issues.

Arri D

No I mean it sometimes needs oil changes a lot but that is because it is my work vehicle. I think it is great if you have small children

How Much Is the 2008 Chrysler Town & Country Worth?

Blue book values range from $4,155 – 4,437, making the Town & Country similarly priced to the Honda Odyssey or Kia Sedona. When new, the price range was $23,415 to $36,575. Depreciation is similar to other vans, losing about 10% of its current value per year.

What are the Different Models of the Town & Country?

There are three models of the Town & Country available. Technology is good for the time since it was just redesigned for 2008, with a new infotainment system added in 2011.

LX is the entry-level model with:

16-Inch Steel Wheels
Cloth Seating
Keyless Entry
4-Speaker AM/FM/CD Stereo System

Touring is a step up, adding:

16-Inch Aluminum Wheels
Power Driver’s Seat
Motorized Liftgate
Stow ‘n Go Rear Seating
6-Speaker Stereo System

Limited is the flagship luxury model and has:

17-Inch Aluminum Alloy Wheels
Improved Suspension
Leather Seating
Heated Front Seats
Touch-Screen MyGig Infotainment System
9-Speaker Premium Stereo System

170 HP 21-21 MPG

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Touring

198 HP 20-20 MPG

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Limited

240 HP 20-20 MPG

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What Engines Come In the Town & Country?

The base engine is a weak 3.3L V6 with only 175 horsepower, which gets up to 19 MPG combined.
A step up is the slightly more powerful 3.8L V6 making 197 horsepower and getting up to 18 MPG combined.
The flagship engine is the most powerful 4.0L V6 which has 251 horsepower and gets up to 18 MPG as well. Performance is okay taking 8.1 seconds to go 0-60 MPH.

What Colors Does the Town & Country Come In?

How Big Is the Town & Country?

The 2008 Town & Country is an average minivan, similar in size to the Nissan Quest, and Honda Odyssey. Passenger space is great throughout the cabin with plenty of room for adults in all three rows of the van.

Cargo space is excellent and the unique “Stow ‘n Go” seats make using the available room easier than rivals. There’s 32.3 cubic feet of room behind the third row, 83.7 behind the second, and up to 143.8 with both rows folded flat.

How Does the Town & Country Compare to the Competition?

The Toyota Sienna is a popular rival, which costs about $2,000 more. Where the Sienna stands out is with much better reliability ratings, but the Town & Country is more luxurious. We recommend the Sienna since they last longer and are more affordable to own.

The Chrysler Pacifica is another competitor from Chrysler, which is about $1,500 cheaper. Performance is better in the Pacifica, but the Town & Country offers more passenger room. We recommend the Pacifica for 2008 since there are significantly fewer complaints from owners.

Ranks #6 Minivans by Owners

2008 Honda Odyssey

4.43

2008 Toyota Sienna

4.34

2008 Chrysler Town & Country

4.02

Do Owners Recommend the Chrysler Town & Country?

Joanne D

Yes, it is a very dependable van, I have had no major problems with it at all, plus it is a very comfortable vehicle.

Natasha K

Yes, it fits all four of my kiddos and is better on gas than a truck or SUV. It is also easier to maneuver than an SUV.

Mark S

Very good. Use it for dog shows and other things. Have had very little problems. Got a very good price used.

Myranda T

It is very good and roomy I love it best vehicle I have ever owned definitely big enough for me my husband and 3 kids.

Crystal M

It is decent for the first 100,000 miles or so but not good for long term and long distance traveling people.

Kelly T

Yes, it’s collapsing back seat and ample trunk are great for our family. We are in hurricane territory and utilize the extra space.

Ky A

Yeah good on gas and has good safety features I think the 2008 edition is outdated though at this point

Tammy A

Yeah, it seems to be a reliable vehicle. It's got 170 something miles on it and it's still going. So I like this vehicle.

Owner Reviews

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Dennis Hayes on November 8, 2023

After paying $42K the engine quit

All was fine until the engine blew up at 32,000 miles. Took it to the dealer and the would not honer the warranty because I had changed my own oil. At that time I did not know about the lemon law. If anyone had a similar experience call me at 619-742-1446

Carrie R on April 4, 2021

Great family vehicle for everyone

We really like the DVD player for the kids. The show and go seats are helpful for storage. It runs really well!

Stephanie D on April 1, 2021

I love the buttons to automatically open the doors! This has been so helpful. Especially remote on keys that open trunk.

I have absolutely loved this car! It is super comfortable, and the movie players for my kids are wonderful. The only issues I have had have been minor.

Amy A on March 31, 2021

Honest review from a mom of 3 who feels like she basically lives out of her van somedays with shuttling her kids and their friends to school, sports and other activities!

Overall, we are happy with the van. It has required repairs over the years, some normal and routine, which are necessary and expected for an older vehicle. We had to have one passenger sliding door repaired twice bc the track broke. We travel a lot for our children's sports and have enjoyed the entertainment features and the overall seating comfort. The storage is quite sufficient as well

Michele M on March 29, 2021

My wonderful van -great for a family and making memories.

I love my van! The worst problem I have had is that it sometimes does not start. It eventually does. . But it is always a worry. Chrysler cannot ever find the cause. But it is such a comfy ride!! We have 169000 miles in it. Almost everything has been replaced. My only wish is that it did not have the starting problem.

Kristyna T on March 28, 2021

Like the extra room. Comfortable riding. Nice DVD players

Good traveling van. Very reliable. Easy riding....

Kim M on March 23, 2021

The Chrysler Town & Country is in it for the long haul!

My Town and Country is super comfortable and spacious. It run really well with minimum maintenance issues. My van is currently 10 years old and I noticed that it is starting to run louder like other Chrysler's and Dodges typically do.

Bonita M on March 22, 2021

The most important thing to me are the easy stow away seats that fold into floor

The thing I like most about my town and country is how the seats simply fold into the floor for a quick flat surface. It drives great and fits our family nicely.

Steph S on March 20, 2021

It's a basic vehicle that is safe and mostly reliable for transporting our family.

I like the size and convenience of the van for kids. I like the interior look and automatic doors. I also like the tech features. I don't like the occasional repairs and the transmission seems unreliable.

Wendy S on March 5, 2021

The perfect family vehicle.

The Chrysler Town and Country is a perfect family vehicle. It had its original part for about 11 years before it actually began to need new parts. The vehicle has a dvd player and tv screens for the back rows.

Bob L on February 26, 2021

It's great highly recommend.

Just recently started having wear and tear. Issues is my only complaint. I love the video option for young kids. Wish I would have opted for stow and go seats.

Jana B on February 19, 2021

Perfect family vehicle with convenience

I love how I can adjust the temperature for the back and for each front seat for each person. There are a lot of cup holders which is great. It drives well and has lasted is a long time.

Mary D on February 18, 2021

Minivan: flexible and convenient.

Chrysler town and country minivan with swivel and go seats. Rear seats fold down for extra cargo space and middle seats turn with table for long trips. Love the flexibility of the van. Has every option and accessory with. Heated seats, power and satellite radio.

Jacqueline C on February 14, 2021

Advantages of Chrysler town and country.

It has plenty of room for cargo and people. It has had very few mechanical issues. It does very good on gas mileage. The interior is very durable, which 6 children, everything has managed to stay intact. It has almost 200, 000 miles on it and runs just as good as the day we bought it. Downsides are the seats are very hard to get stains out of.

ginny s on February 14, 2021

I like that the Mirrors can be adjusted from inside car.

I like that the pedals are adjustable, self locking doors while driving, unlocking remote. I dislike trying to get in the passenger seat.

Amanda S on February 11, 2021

The gas mileage is not the best.

I have the town and country stow and go were the 2nd and 3rd row of seats disappear into the floor. This is by far my favorite feature. It allows so much space and has come in handy during moves, large shopping trips, road trips, and to transport large items such as all of my families bikes. I have owned this vehicle 3 years and haven't had any major issues with it. The most costly repair I've had has been for a hose for my cooling system. The breaks tend to wear quickly but I do put a lot of miles on the van. The gas mileage could be better. Most times I am getting 16 mpg which is very low. Overall this vehicle has been very good to me.

Melinda M on February 9, 2021

It has given us very few issues over 8 years. Only typical maintenance.

It's a little too big for us with not enough leg space in the back. Uncomfortable back seats. Poor gas mileage.

Jackie F on February 8, 2021

It is very dependable and handles extremely well. It has a variety of convenient features. Great family van for long trips and storage compartments for sporting goods and luggage. The slider doors have convenient automatic windows that you can lower only 50% for safety feature. And the built in window shades are so convenient and easy to use. Gets great gas mileage and has great interior lighting for night driving. Excellent vehicle!

I love the smooth ride. Plenty of room and storage compartments. Slider doors are very convenient as well as back gareon key fob.

Jennifer V on February 7, 2021

Dependable minivan for families

We haven't had any major issues with the car. It is fairly dependable. It gets decent gas mileage. We added a trailer hitch and tow a small camper with no issues.

jamie M on February 6, 2021

That minivans are not just for soccer moms

It has plenty of room for all my grandchildren to sit comfortably it is very easy to maintain it is very comfortable on long trips

Tiffany R on February 6, 2021

It's very comfortable for traveling long distances!

I love all the extras I get, DVD screens/players, heated seats, full roll down back windows, backup cam. Really the only thing I don't like is the gas usage. Otherwise It's a fantastic vehicle for our family.

Paul B on January 28, 2021

The stow-n-go feature makes for extra room for storage when traveling.

I like my vehicle for It's extra room inside. It drives smoothly and gets fairly good gas economy. The heated seats helps to get my back calmed down after a day of work.There is nothing I can think that I would dislike.

Kathy A on January 28, 2021

It's comfortable with the feel of riding in a car, not a truck.

I like the comfort of my vehicle, it's easy to get into and out of. I also like the feeling of being up a little higher than when you are in a car, but not too high like a truck.

Deb L on January 25, 2021

Comfort, reliable, smooth ride.

I love my van, good gas mileage, minimal repairs. Great sound system. I would highly recommend this model.

John L on January 24, 2021

It holds a lot of cargo and people. When we go on vacation or camping trips it is an ideal vehicle for us. I do not like the poor mileage.

It gets poor mileage. It has a lot of storage or cargo area. It's great for vacations or camping because of the room for cargo and passengers. It has a history of a poor paint job. The clear coat is dull and needs to be repainted on the hood.

Kara B on January 20, 2021

The most important thing to know about the Chrysler Town and Country is that the options are endless! The seats fold down into the floor allowing lots of room for hauling and lots of seats for taking lots of people places.

I love my town and country because t makes traveling with kids so much easier! My favorite features are the automatic sliding doors, the DVD player, and the stow and go seats. I also love that it is an easy to drive vehicle that is comfortable and gets great gas mileage.

Cori B on January 19, 2021

Chrysler town & country is the safe and reliable way to go.

This is honestly the most reliable used car I've owned. The only issue I consistently encounter is that the battery drains fast.

Kimberly C on January 13, 2021

Best for lots of families. But does take gas a lot.

I love the way it drives. It is smooth ride and has plenty of space. I wish it was easier to park. Also uses lots of gas

Nikita C on January 10, 2021

It is comfortable and dependable, but needs a lot of maintenance.

I love the features and comfortable ride. I am very displeased with the wiring in the sliding door harness. I also am constantly in the mechanic for maintenance issues.

Deb W on January 9, 2021

Super cozy and comfortable.

Michael V on January 4, 2021

Tickled pink with Town & Country. Great family vehicle.

We have owned the vehicle for 10 months and have had no serious issues. The only problem we had develop was shortly after purchase the rear wiper motor quit. We've noticed from observation of other Town & Country's that it seems to be a common problem. We took a 1900 mile, week long, road trip over the summer with 7 people and rode with comfort and enjoyment. Fuel efficiency is accurate with its rating.

Deb D on January 3, 2021

It has been a great and reliable vehicle for our family. Plenty of room, especially with the stow and go.

This vehicle has been very reliable for our family. We have not had any major problems with it. The blower went out on it, but was easily replaced. We also had to replace alternator. Our vehicle has 144,000 miles on it, we are happy with its performance all in all

Andrew B on December 29, 2020

I enjoy the interior size and use for my family.

Have had too many repairs although the vehicle was bought used. Did have low mileage for a 2008. Has been ok since all was fixed. First fix was TV screen in vehicle. Also had wheel fall off and not sure how it happened. I enjoy the features it has but even the power windows have been a problem as one shattered on us.

vernie s on December 28, 2020

An affordable van, Chrysler town and country that fits whole family with comfort.

The van is very spacious. It is also great on gas. It's a stow and go and seats are big. They go under the floor. The back trunk is very spacious too. It's very easy to maintain

Jackie W on December 27, 2020

It is a comfortable ride for long trips.

I love way it drives. I love the DVD system. I love the heated seats. Although it is a tight squeeze with four car seats.

Michael W on December 25, 2020

Comfortable, luxurious van had people complimenting me regularly!

This vehicle has a subtle luxury displayed throughout; from the leather seats, to the chrome trim, backlit gauges and dash shifter, it is a nice minivan. The V6 engine allows it to get up to speed reasonable even under full load. The only problems I have run into are with the entertainment/radio system. If the system fails a new head is upwards of $1000 dollars and replacing the hard drive alone is at least $150. Expensive indeed!

Kendal R on December 22, 2020

My review of the Chrysler town & country.

It has heated seats, lots of room, great family vehicle! You can watch videos. It has leather seating so you do not have to worry about drinks being spilt. And the seats in the back even recline. There is a total of 7 seats with plenty of room in the back as well.

Rachel J on December 22, 2020

Stow and go seating makes all the backseat fold down flat.

I like having this van with children. It is very convenient getting the kids in and out quickly. I also like the third row seating. All of the backseat fold down flat, it is called stow and go so it almost like having the room of a flatbed truck when all the seats folded down. It is a very comfortable vehicle.

Shallin S on December 17, 2020

Awesome except for the ESP

We love that it is comfortable and roomy for our family of 6. It has been reliable. It drives smoothly. The fuel economy is good. We live in an area where it snows, and the ESP system is awful for that! It is supposed to keep you safe on slick roads, but it engages and prevents us from even getting out of our own driveway. It also failed recently and wouldn't let me drive more than 40 miles per hour even with the pedal to the floor. The back AC system is separate from the front, and we recently had to replace parts in the back, which weren't easily accessible, so it was an expensive repair.

Dave L on December 15, 2020

Make sure you keep your oil changed cause replacing an engine cost a pretty penny after the 2006 models

It's great to have when you want to take the family out to the park or on a vacation. It's roomy and has pretty good gas mileage

Nicole P on December 14, 2020

Seats that push down into the floor.

This is a good vehicle but if your alternator goes out on it doesn't work. It runs pretty smooth as all electric with a nifty key fob that also has a key. My brakes aren't any good I will have to get them replaced. There are many cup holders and the stow and go is awesome.

Dale G on December 14, 2020

Great family vehicle, can seat 7 and haul luggage, groceries, etc.

Like the seats fold down into the floor for hauling large items or a bunch of boxes, etc. Dislike brakes seem to wear out too soon, body is rusting on the doors. Dislike gas mileage, I would like about 35 mpg.

Bri H on December 12, 2020

Fold Down Seating Feature

I like the fold down capability of the middle and back row seats. It also gets fairly good fuel mileage.

Barbara B on December 11, 2020

Old car maintenance if someone does not know what they are doing.

It is getting old has oil leak. The fan motor is on the right one. Can not use a/c or heat or it will run hot. One of the tires keeps going flat. The wipers work but can not use the spray bottles The timing belt keeps breaking so we put in a metal one. Also it has a new motor in it also. But it still runs hot all the time..

L G on December 7, 2020

This is a splendid vehicle.

This town and country van drives very smoothly, it is a very spacious fit for a family of eight people. This van has the perfect color. Silver is a very classy color for any car or truck. The town and country is a minivan that every family should have. The town and country Chrysler will let you drive anywhere in the world.

Robin B on December 3, 2020

I love that there is lots of room for hauling stuff and people around!

Love the room and comfort of the van. Love the sliding doors and back hatch. Have had lots of mechanical issues with it since we have had it, so that is bad.

Amy W on November 28, 2020

The chrysler town and country is a safe family vehicle. It seats 7 people comfortably

I love the stow and go Auto doors and trunk shades on the windows

Amanda M on November 22, 2020

The middle windows do not open, the back glass only open a little!

Side windows don't open, there is no way to get any air! Great vehicle, easy store away for the seats.

Nadya S on November 22, 2020

Chrysler Town and Country - A Review.

The only problem is that it eats the brakes quickly. Aside from that, it's been really good. The leather seats are really comfortable, and the Stow N Go functionality is convenient for transporting items.

J. MR M on November 17, 2020

It is a reliable minivan; very comfortable for a family.

Like-comfortable, model of vehicle, leather interior, family friendly. Dislike- issues with electrical part of the vehicle, previous transmission issues.

Emily P on November 16, 2020

It has a lot of storage and a great amount of space. It is very comfortable.

We love our Chrysler Town and Country minivan. My favorite features are a DVD player for long trips with the kids, remote start, and seat warmers. We have had problems with the sliding door on the driver's side. The electronics do not work, so we cannot open the window, and have to open and lock/unlock it manually. We drive it a lot and it is really comfortable and reliable.

Alex Showalter

Alex is an automotive enthusiast with over 15 years of experience in the used car market. He brings a wealth of knowledge to Vehicle History as our Staff Writer and has written hundreds of used car reviews helping buyers make informed purchasing decisions. He is a member of the Automotive Press Association, and keeps up-to-date on the latest changes in the industry. Over the years, he has driven hundreds of cars, working on many of them. His mechanical experience evolved from modifying off-road trucks as a teen to focusing on automotive electrical systems as he got older. He now specializes in reviewing used cars as an automotive journalist. Some of his favorite brands are Toyota and BMW. The Toyota Land Cruiser is one of his favorite vehicles of all time since they’re built to last forever and can go anywhere. One of his current cars is a Lexus LX570, built on the same platform as the 200-series Land Cruiser, but it’s a better value in the used market.